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Good morning. Can I have your mark sheets, please? Thank you. I'm Helen Barker, and this is my colleague, Mark Foster. He's just going to listen to us. Now, what's your name, and how do you spell your surname?

早安。麻煩把你們的評分單給我，謝謝。我是 Helen Barker，這位是我的同事 Mark Foster，他只會在旁邊聽。那麼，你叫什麼名字？姓氏怎麼拼？

My name is Chia-Hao Wu. My surname is Wu — W-U.

我叫 Chia-Hao Wu。我的姓是 Wu——W-U。

Thank you. And what's your name, and how do you spell your first name?

謝謝。那你呢？你叫什麼名字？名字怎麼拼？

I'm Yi-Ting Hsu. My first name is Yi-Ting — Y-I-T-I-N-G.

我是 Yi-Ting Hsu。我的名字是 Yi-Ting——Y-I-T-I-N-G。

Thank you. Chia-Hao, where do you live? Do you live in a house or an apartment?

謝謝。Chia-Hao，你住在哪裡？你住的是透天還是公寓？

I live in Banqiao, in New Taipei City. We live in an apartment on the ninth floor, and I really like it, because I can see the river from my bedroom window.

我住在新北市板橋。我們住公寓，在九樓，我還滿喜歡的，因為從我房間的窗戶可以看到河。

And Yi-Ting, do you come from this city, or somewhere else?

那 Yi-Ting 呢？你是本地人，還是從別的地方來的？

Well, I was born in Hualien, but we moved here when I was seven. So I don't really remember it — um, I mean, I only remember the beach near my grandmother's house.

嗯，我在花蓮出生，不過七歲的時候我們就搬過來了。所以我其實沒什麼印象——呃，我是說，我只記得我阿嬤家附近的那個海邊。

Chia-Hao, tell me about your family.

Chia-Hao，跟我說說你的家人。

There are four people in my family — my parents, my little sister and me. My father works in a bank and my mother is a nurse, so she often works at night. My sister is only eight, and she follows me everywhere.

我家有四個人——我爸媽、我妹妹和我。我爸在銀行上班，我媽是護理師，所以她常常上夜班。我妹才八歲，我走到哪她就跟到哪。

Yi-Ting, who do you live with?

Yi-Ting，你跟誰住？

I live with my parents and my grandmother. My grandmother used to live in Hualien, but now she lives with us, and she cooks dinner for us almost every day.

我跟我爸媽還有阿嬤住。我阿嬤以前住在花蓮，現在搬來跟我們一起住，幾乎每天都煮晚餐給我們吃。

Chia-Hao, what do you usually do at the weekend?

Chia-Hao，你週末通常都做什麼？

Usually I play basketball with my friends on Saturday morning. In the afternoon I have to do my homework, which is not so fun. And on Sunday my family often goes out for lunch together.

我通常星期六早上跟朋友打籃球。下午就得寫作業，那就沒那麼好玩了。星期天我們全家常常會一起出去吃午餐。

Yi-Ting, what do you usually do after school?

Yi-Ting，你放學後通常做什麼？

I go to cram school three days a week, so I get home quite late. On the other days I usually watch videos or draw. I'm learning to draw comics at the moment, but I'm not very good yet.

我一個禮拜有三天要去補習，所以回到家都滿晚的。其他天我通常會看影片或畫畫。我最近在學畫漫畫，不過還畫得不太好。

Chia-Hao, do you prefer spending free time alone or with friends? Why?

Chia-Hao，空閒時間你比較喜歡自己一個人，還是跟朋友在一起？為什麼？

Definitely with friends. When I'm alone I just look at my phone and the time disappears. But with friends we actually do things, like playing ball or riding our bikes, so at the end of the day I feel the day was worth it.

絕對是跟朋友一起。我自己一個人的時候就只是一直滑手機，時間咻一下就沒了。跟朋友在一起我們才會真的去做點什麼，像打球或騎腳踏車，一天結束的時候會覺得這天沒有白過。

And Yi-Ting, tell me about a hobby you would like to try.

那 Yi-Ting，跟我說一個你想嘗試看看的興趣。

Hmm, let me think. I'd like to try surfing, because my cousin does it in Yilan and the photos look amazing. I might be scared of the big waves, though. Maybe I'll try it next summer if my parents say yes.

嗯，讓我想一下。我想試試看衝浪，因為我表姊在宜蘭有在衝，照片看起來超好看的。不過我可能會怕大浪就是了。如果我爸媽答應，也許明年夏天我會去試試看。

Now, I'd like each of you to talk on your own about something. I'm going to give each of you a photograph and I'd like you to talk about it. Chia-Hao, here is your photograph. It shows friends spending free time outdoors. Please tell Yi-Ting what you can see in the photograph. Yi-Ting, you just listen. Chia-Hao, please tell us what you can see in your photograph.

接下來，我要請你們各自單獨講一段。我會給你們各一張照片，請你描述它。Chia-Hao，這是你的照片，照片裡是朋友在戶外度過空閒時間。請你告訴 Yi-Ting 你在照片裡看到什麼。Yi-Ting，你只要聽就好。Chia-Hao，請開始。

In this photo, I can see three teenagers who are having a picnic in a park. It looks like a warm, sunny afternoon, because the sky is blue and there are only a few white clouds. They're sitting on a checked blanket, and there's a basket with sandwiches and some drinks next to them. The girl on the left is laughing and pointing at something we can't see, and the boy in the middle is pouring a drink into a cup. The other girl is lying back on her elbows and looking really relaxed. In the background there are tall green trees, a family who are walking their dog, and a bicycle leaning against a tree. I think they're close friends, and maybe it's the weekend, because nobody looks like they're in a hurry.

這張照片裡，我看到三個青少年在公園野餐。看起來是一個溫暖晴朗的下午，因為天空是藍的，只有幾朵白雲。他們坐在一條格子野餐墊上，旁邊有一個籃子，裡面有三明治和一些飲料。左邊的女生在笑，還指著我們看不到的東西；中間的男生正在把飲料倒進杯子裡。另一個女生用手肘撐著身體往後躺，看起來很放鬆。背景有高高的綠樹、一家人在遛狗，還有一台腳踏車靠在樹旁邊。我覺得他們是感情很好的朋友，而且可能是週末，因為看起來沒有人在趕時間。

Thank you. Now, Yi-Ting, here is your photograph. It shows a family spending free time outdoors. Please tell Chia-Hao what you can see in the photograph. Chia-Hao, you just listen. Yi-Ting, please tell us what you can see in your photograph.

謝謝。Yi-Ting，這是你的照片，照片裡是一家人在戶外度過空閒時間。請你告訴 Chia-Hao 你在照片裡看到什麼。Chia-Hao，你只要聽就好。Yi-Ting，請開始。

This photo shows a family who are flying a kite on a beach. There are four people — a father, a mother, a young girl and a teenage boy, I think. The father is holding the string and looking up at the sky, and the little girl next to him is pointing at the kite, because she looks very excited. The kite is quite big and it's shaped like a fish, with red and yellow stripes. In the background, the mother and the older boy are walking along the shore near the waves. They're both wearing shorts and sandals, so it must be a hot day. I can also see some, um, white birds — I don't know the name in English — the ones that always fly near the sea and try to steal your food. It looks like a really nice family day out.

這張照片是一家人在海邊放風箏。照片裡有四個人——一個爸爸、一個媽媽、一個小女孩，還有一個我猜是青少年的男生。爸爸拉著線抬頭看天空，旁邊的小女孩指著風箏，看起來很興奮。那個風箏滿大的，形狀像一條魚，有紅色和黃色的條紋。背景裡，媽媽和大一點的男生沿著海浪旁邊的沙灘在走。他們兩個都穿短褲和涼鞋，所以那天一定很熱。我還看到一些，呃，白色的鳥——我不知道英文怎麼說——就是那種常常在海邊飛、還會來搶你食物的鳥。看起來是很不錯的一天全家出遊。

Thank you.

謝謝。

Now, in this part of the test you're going to talk about something together for about two minutes. I'm going to describe a situation to you. Your friend has just moved to a new school and doesn't know anyone yet. Here are some ways he could make new friends. Talk together about the different ways he could make new friends, and decide which two would work best. Here is your picture sheet. You have some time to look at it.

接下來這個部分，你們兩位要一起討論大約兩分鐘。我先描述一個情況：你們的朋友剛轉到一所新學校，還不認識任何人。這裡是他可以認識新朋友的幾種方式。請你們一起討論這些不同的方式，然後決定哪兩種效果最好。這是你們的圖卡，先看一下。

All right? Now, talk together, please.

可以了嗎？那請你們開始討論。

Shall we start with option A, the after-school club? I think that's a really good way to meet people, because everyone in the club already likes the same thing.

我們從 A 開始好嗎？就是課後社團。我覺得那是認識人很好的方式，因為社團裡的人本來就喜歡同一件事。

Yes, that's true... but it depends on the club, doesn't it? If he joins the robotics club and he's the only new person, he might just sit there and build things quietly. What do you think?

對，是這樣沒錯……可是也要看是哪種社團吧？如果他加入機器人社，而且只有他一個是新來的，他可能就只是坐在那邊安安靜靜地組東西。你覺得呢？

That's a good point. But in my school the art club is quite small, so people have to talk to each other. I still think A is one of the best ones.

你講得有道理。不過我們學校的美術社很小，所以大家不得不互相講話。我還是覺得 A 是比較好的其中一個。

OK, I see what you mean. What about option B, inviting a few classmates to eat lunch together? Lunch is the time when everyone talks anyway.

好，我懂你的意思。那 B 呢？約幾個同學一起吃午餐。反正午餐時間大家本來就會聊天。

I'm not sure about that one, to be honest. If you've only been at a school for a week, asking people to have lunch with you feels a bit strange. He might feel embarrassed.

老實說我對這個沒什麼把握。如果你才轉來一個禮拜，就開口約人家一起吃飯，感覺有點怪怪的。他可能會覺得很尷尬。

I don't really agree, because in Taiwan we eat lunch in the classroom, so he doesn't have to invite anyone anywhere. He can just turn his chair around and start talking. That's much easier than joining a club.

我不太同意耶，因為在台灣我們是在教室裡吃午餐，所以他根本不用『約』誰去哪裡。他把椅子轉過去開始聊就好了。這比加入社團簡單多了。

Oh, that's true. I was thinking about eating in a canteen. OK, so B is easier than I said, but I still think it only works if someone answers him.

喔，也對。我剛剛想的是在餐廳吃飯那種。好吧，那 B 確實沒有我講的那麼難，可是我還是覺得，要有人願意回應他才有用。

Fair enough. Shall we look at option C, playing a team sport at the weekend?

這樣講也合理。那我們看 C 好嗎？週末去打團隊運動。

I like that one a lot. When you play basketball with someone, you don't need to think of things to say — the game does it for you. And you see the same people every week.

這個我很喜歡。你跟人家打籃球的時候，根本不用想要講什麼——比賽自己會幫你製造話題。而且每個禮拜看到的都是同一群人。

That's a good way to put it. But what if he isn't good at sports? Some people really hate it, and then he'd feel worse than before.

這個說法不錯。可是如果他不擅長運動怎麼辦？有些人真的很討厭運動，那他反而會比之前更難受。

That's possible. But he doesn't have to be good, he just has to join in. My cousin was terrible at volleyball and he still made a lot of friends in the team.

有可能。不過他不用打得好，他只要有加入就行了。我表哥排球打得超爛，還是在隊上交到很多朋友。

OK, you've convinced me. C is a strong one.

好，你說服我了。C 算是很有力的一個。

What do you think about option D, the study group for a difficult subject? Do you like that idea?

那你覺得 D 呢？就是為了難的科目組讀書會。你喜歡這個想法嗎？

Not so much, I'm afraid. A study group is really about maths or English, not about people. Everybody is quiet and stressed, so you don't get to know anyone.

不好意思，我沒有很喜歡。讀書會講的其實是數學或英文，不是人。大家都很安靜又很緊繃，根本沒機會認識誰。

I agree with you there. Although if he helps someone with a subject they find hard, they might remember him and talk to him later.

這點我同意。不過如果他幫某個人補一科他們覺得難的，那個人可能會記得他，之後就會來跟他講話。

Maybe, but that's quite slow. What about option E, using the school app to find students with the same hobbies?

也許吧，可是那樣太慢了。那 E 呢？用學校的 app 找興趣一樣的同學。

Honestly, I don't think that's the best one. It's easy to send a message, but it's much harder to say hello in real life afterwards. He could talk to someone online for a month and still eat lunch alone.

老實說，我覺得那個不是最好的。傳訊息很簡單，可是之後在現實生活裡開口打招呼難多了。他可能線上聊了一個月，午餐還是一個人吃。

Hmm, I see it a bit differently. For a shy person, the app is a safe way to start. He can find someone who plays the same game, and then meeting that person is not so scary.

嗯，我的看法有點不一樣。對害羞的人來說，app 是一個比較安全的開始。他可以找到玩同一款遊戲的人，這樣真的見面的時候就不會那麼可怕。

That's a good point, actually. Maybe E is useful at the beginning, but it isn't enough on its own.

其實這樣講也有道理。也許 E 在一開始有用，只是光靠它還不夠。

Yes, I'd agree with that. And the last one, F, helping at a school event like sports day?

對，這點我同意。那最後一個 F 呢？在學校活動幫忙，像是運動會。

I think that one is better than people expect. When you're carrying boxes or handing out water, you're working with other students, so you have to talk to them.

我覺得那個比大家想的還要好。你在搬箱子或發水的時候，就是在跟其他學生一起做事，你不講話也不行。

That's true, but sports day only happens once a year. He needs something he can do every week, doesn't he?

是沒錯，可是運動會一年才一次。他需要的是每個禮拜都能做的事情吧？

You're right. OK, so shall we choose A, the club, and C, the sports team?

你說得對。好，那我們就選 A 社團和 C 運動隊，可以嗎？

I'd like to change one of them, if that's OK. I still think B, having lunch together, is the most useful, because it happens every single day. Could we choose B and C?

如果可以的話，我想換掉其中一個。我還是覺得 B、一起吃午餐最有用，因為那是每一天都會發生的事。我們可以選 B 和 C 嗎？

Hmm, wait. The problem with B is that it's only inside his own class. With a club he meets students from other years too.

嗯，等一下。B 的問題是那只限他自己班上。參加社團的話，他還可以認識其他年級的同學。

That's a fair point. But he has to start somewhere, and lunch is free — I mean, it doesn't take any extra time after school.

這個講法很合理。可是他總得先從某個地方開始，而午餐是不用花錢的——我是說，放學後不用再多花時間。

OK, you know, I think you're right about the time. Let's say B and C, then — lunch every day, and the sports team at the weekend.

好，你知道嗎，時間這點我覺得你是對的。那就 B 和 C 吧——每天一起吃午餐，然後週末打球。

Great, so we agree: B and C. Those two would work best for him.

太好了，所以我們的共識是 B 和 C。這兩個對他來說效果最好。

Yes, B and C. That's our decision.

對，B 和 C。這就是我們的決定。

Thank you.

謝謝。

Now, I'd like to ask you some questions about making friends. Do you think it's easy or difficult to make new friends? Why? Yi-Ting?

接下來我想問你們幾個關於交朋友的問題。你們覺得交新朋友是容易還是困難？為什麼？Yi-Ting？

I think it depends on the person. For me it's quite difficult, because I'm shy and I never know how to start. But my brother can talk to anyone in about five minutes, so for him it's easy.

我覺得看人。對我來說滿難的，因為我很害羞，永遠不知道要怎麼開頭。可是我哥哥大概五分鐘就能跟任何人聊起來，對他來說就很容易。

I'd say it's easier when you're younger. In elementary school you just play together and then you're friends. Now everyone already has their own group, so it's harder to get in.

我會說年紀小的時候比較容易。小學就是一起玩，然後就是朋友了。現在大家都已經有自己的小圈子，要擠進去就比較難。

What makes someone a good friend, in your opinion? Chia-Hao?

在你們看來，什麼樣的人才算好朋友？Chia-Hao？

For me, a good friend is someone who tells you the truth. If I'm wrong about something, I want my friend to say it, not just agree with me. And of course they should keep your secrets.

對我來說，好朋友就是會跟你說實話的人。如果我哪裡想錯了，我希望我朋友直接講，而不是什麼都附和我。當然，他也要幫你保密。

I agree about the secrets. I'd also say a good friend remembers small things — like if you have a test, they send you a message to say good luck. That's not difficult, but not many people do it.

保密這點我同意。我還會說，好朋友會記得一些小事——像是你要考試的時候，他會傳訊息跟你說加油。這不難，可是真的會做的人沒幾個。

Do you think social media makes it easier to make friends? Why or why not?

你們覺得社群媒體讓交朋友變得比較容易嗎？為什麼？

Yes, in some ways. I've met people online who like the same comics as me, and we talk almost every day, even though we've never met in real life. Without the internet I would never find them.

某方面來說是。我在網路上認識了一些跟我喜歡同樣漫畫的人，我們幾乎每天聊天，雖然現實生活中從來沒見過面。要不是有網路，我根本不可能找到他們。

That's true, but I don't really think those are real friends. If you're sad, a person on the internet can send you a message, but they can't sit next to you.

是沒錯，可是我不太覺得那算真正的朋友。你難過的時候，網路上的人可以傳訊息給你，但他沒辦法坐在你旁邊。

That's fair. Maybe they're a different kind of friend, not a better or worse one.

這樣講也對。也許他們算是另一種朋友，沒有比較好或比較差。

Do you prefer having a few close friends, or many friends? Why? Chia-Hao?

你們比較喜歡有幾個很好的朋友，還是很多朋友？為什麼？Chia-Hao？

Sorry, could you say that again, please?

不好意思，可以請您再說一次嗎？

Of course. Do you prefer having a few close friends, or a lot of friends?

當然可以。你比較喜歡有幾個很要好的朋友，還是有很多朋友？

Ah, thank you. A few close friends, definitely. I have about three friends I really trust, and I'd rather have that than fifty people who only say hello to me in the corridor.

啊，謝謝。絕對是幾個很要好的朋友。我大概有三個我真的信得過的朋友，比起五十個只會在走廊上跟我打招呼的人，我寧可要那三個。

I feel the same way, but I'd add one thing. It's nice to know a lot of people, because then you always have someone to talk to in a new class. But close friends are the ones you call when something goes wrong.

我也是這樣覺得，不過我想補一點。認識很多人也不錯，因為到了新班級你至少有人可以講話。可是出事的時候，你會打電話給的還是那幾個好朋友。

Have you ever helped a new student at your school? What did you do?

你們有沒有幫過學校裡的新同學？你們做了什麼？

Yes, last year a girl moved into my class in the middle of the term. I showed her where the music room was, and I asked her to sit with me at lunch. Now she's one of my best friends, so I'm glad I did it.

有，去年學期中有一個女生轉到我們班。我帶她去看音樂教室在哪裡，還約她午餐跟我坐一起。現在她是我最好的朋友之一，所以我很慶幸當時有這樣做。

I haven't, really. There was a new boy in my class, but he was good at basketball, so he joined our game and after that he was just part of the group. Nobody had to do anything special.

我其實沒有。我們班有來過一個新的男生，不過他籃球打得很好，就直接加入我們的球局，之後他自然就變成我們的一份子了。沒有人需要特別做什麼。

Thank you. That is the end of the test.

謝謝你們。測驗到這裡結束。